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Title: So 72dpi.
Post by: JJames19119 on March 10, 2011, 11:18:22 PM
This forum. It is a forum.

What about it? I dunno. You tell me.

I decided to make the announcement of Two52's stance on SMWar public because quite honestly leaving people in the dark like that isn't my style. I don't know what he has planned but it's obviously not much so I don't think he minds too much. If he does, my apologies in advance. But there's something else bothering me now.

Due to SMWar's current status I've reorganized the boards a little. You'll notice B^3 is now much closer to the top of the page. This is because it's now the most relevant thing to this board.

Given the kind of discussion that goes on in there, that says a lot.

I only took this forum up as my own sometime after Florian died, where things were already starting to wane a bit. After his unfortunate death, things just took a sharp nosedive from there. The forum lost direction, SMWar lost interest, the community lost touch with each other, for the most part. From what I know, the most active members here spend their time on skype more then anything else and anyone not included in that group is left here in empty forums. Why? Because...what would you even do here?

So that's why I'm saying, you tell me. Where does this forum go now? Do we keep it as it is? Left to slowly die out until I get fed up with it's bandiwidth costs because some jerk thought it would be funny to send 500+ spambots to us daily? Do we try to revive the projects inherent in it and reboot? Or do we simply make it about something else? I don't want Flo's dream to fizzle out like this but I'm only one person.

I don't expect many replies to this thread. I know a large majority of the community hates me, and I'm prepared to take the brunt of that hatred together with the rest of the boards. Maybe I'm just sitting here rambling to myself in this thread, but even if one single person looks at this thread and gives it any sort of serious thought, then I have achieved my goal with this thread. Even if nobody replies.

If people are content on letting this board die then I'll let it be and simply take my leave now. Thanks for all the good times you've shown me, 72. I can't say you didn't change my life.

~JJ
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: Blasted Landmark on March 11, 2011, 12:21:48 AM
Well, that is very sad really. I remember the forum being a little more lively back in 2007-2008.
I was a guest back then and I didn't registered because I felt quite nervous about it. I even remember a guy who said he was going to hack the forum with cheat engine.
I entered here years later for some advice in spriting and skins. Poor 72dpi. Now I understand why +54 people register here to post nothing.

I don't know if the forum can still be afloat. With only bots being online...
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: Link901 on March 11, 2011, 04:13:27 AM
I'm not sure what to say, JJ. Do you really think we could bring this forum back to life? Honestly, I'd be willing to try if there's a chance that it'll happen. Lately, I haven't been around here except checking things out as a guest once in a while. It'd be nice to change that.
Tellya what, I'll try and help. I'll dig through my old backup cds and whatnot. I'll grab what I can find from my old New Super Mario War, SMWar 8-Bit, and the MegaMan War projects. It's a bit of a stretch, but maybe it'll jumpstart a little bit of activity around here.
As for the MegaMan 72 project, I'm not sure where it's going right now. I practically dropped from the project after my lapse in internet connection and GGuy/MSX pretty much took over in my absence, but I rejoined once MSX told me he'd found someone to work on the engine. Unfortunately, I haven't heard anything from any of them in a while, so I don't know if things died down again or what.
I'd say a revamp of the forum might spark some new interest, but it'd be smart to back up what we can beforehand. For example, if your filehosting site is still working, I'd back all that up to make sure none of it gets lost, if that's even an issue.
So uh, yeah. Done rambling like the old fart I am. You've got my support, JJ.
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: JM Dragon on March 11, 2011, 11:43:08 AM
I can't help but to feel responsible for the fall that MM72 had back a couple of months ago.

However, it is entirely possible to bring the 72dpiarmy back out of this rut we are in, but it will take more than a few fangames to do so (although those won't hurt). I have a feeling that we are going to need to do something original in order to attract people here, and I know that we have the talent available to do so. Minecraft came out of nowhere, and that started as one man working on his game. I'm sure we can do at least half as good as Notch with the people we have around.

If we do take on a big project, there will have to be a huge support system, because it is way to easy to project members to forget about what they are doing and harm the team in doing so (I am a good example of this). We would need people to cheer us on, so to speak, so that we can succeed at finishing the project.

In the end, it'll be about motivation. If we cannot be motivated to alter the direction of this forum, then it'll die the slow death that it is already happening.
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: Link901 on March 11, 2011, 11:54:00 AM
Nah, JM, you had no more part in MM72's dead-time than anyone else. The rest of us slowed down really badly with spriting, too. Jim was probably the most productive one out of all of us, since he had most of the music finished before we'd even really gotten anywhere spriting. Also, an idea for the forum, it'd be a good idea to expand the Super Mario War section and turn it into a full gaming section, accommodating for other games such as minecraft, various steam games, etc., to appeal to the varying gaming interests of 72's user base. In turn, we could potentially expand the Fanmade Content section to include player-made additions for the array of games we play. There's plenty of potential to bring this forum back and get things running full steam ahead once again, we've just gotta grab the bull by the horns.
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: JM Dragon on March 11, 2011, 12:06:22 PM
Quote from: "Link901"
Also, an idea for the forum, it'd be a good idea to expand the Super Mario War section and turn it into a full gaming section, accommodating for other games such as minecraft, various steam games, etc., to appeal to the varying gaming interests of 72's user base. In turn, we could potentially expand the Fanmade Content section to include player-made additions for the array of games we play. There's plenty of potential to bring this forum back and get things running full steam ahead once again, we've just gotta grab the bull by the horns.

I like this idea. The essence of Super Mario War, as I see it, was the ability of the fans to make their own stuff to add onto an already good game. Expanding both the Fanmade Content forum and the Super Mario War forum to include other games would be a good logical step in helping bring more people here.

Would a programmer's section of the forum be a good idea too? The section would include forums for tutorials, help, bits of code, general discussion, etc. I have some stuff I did in Java that I could post, and if other people join in, hopefully it will help 72dpi grow again.
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: Link901 on March 11, 2011, 12:23:25 PM
That'd be great to see. I'm not very familiar with coding languages at all, so maybe I'll be able to learn something useful through that. If I could learn enough SVN to do anything with SMWar, I'd put effort into trying things out here and there with adding new stuff. Right now though, it's like I'm looking at hieroglyphs. I can't make sense of any of it.
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: JJames19119 on March 11, 2011, 08:16:18 PM
The major downfall of the community is the inherent laziness/time constraints of multiple people. MM72 is a good example. The community just doesn't have the time or power to really do any big project like SMWar was.

Minecraft did come from one person but that one person was very, very good at what he did. No, it wasn't coding, it was being persistent. Anyone who saw him respond to threats knows this well enough.

I wish I could say I have the same drive, but I've been starting projects only to drop them soon afterward. I still have that one game idea sitting in the back of my HDD but I recently bought a VPS for use as a private server that I'm coding. For what? I'd really rather not say; I have a bad enough reputation here as it is.

I like the idea of expanding fanmade content into it's own section. I'll keep the current board where it is but made a new category for other user created content. Gimme ideas and I'll start throwing them up.

The "programmer's corner" could be a part of that category as a creation discussion board, I just don't wanna throw too many boards at this poor forum at once yet.
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: Blasted Landmark on March 11, 2011, 11:54:11 PM
Mmm, the programmer's corner can attract a reasonable number of people, combined with their knowledge they can probably revive the forum.
However, I feel it can also probably produce a considerable setback.

What kind of game would probably attract people here? A story mode version of Super Mario War? (I imagined Super Mario bros 3 combined with SMWar) A game similar to Contra? Do we need the use of an ad to bring everyone here?

72dpi resembles Valve in some way. What could be done to prevent this from happening in the future?
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: MrMister on March 12, 2011, 04:45:20 PM
I'll miss you 72dpiarmy, my first forum, you were good to me.
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: Open on March 12, 2011, 08:52:30 PM
To join the many above, the fact the forum is now next to dead is pretty sad. Then again, this wasn't a busy forum to begin with. When I read this (because I do occasionally pop by) it made me think. As far as I know, the forum was driven by an independent project, Super Mario War. To recap, the game was a public project that needed a place with community. My 2 cents are this:
Why not expand the project section of the forum. If things go well, this could be a general discussion board for misc. projects, whether game mods, maps or new games (like SMW and MM72). However, this would require projects, let alone active projects. I'm sure there are projects out there that could use a forum, but they don't want to/can't own a forum of their own.
Another issue is that this board isn't really active. The way I see it is that there isn't much incentive to come here. I have no idea on how to fix this, but one might say this place requires a bit more community interaction. Again, I have no ideas for this.


PS:
Quote from: "MrMister"
I'll miss you 72dpiarmy, my first forum, you were good to me.
PPS: I think we could use a new catch phrase instead of "we talk abut stuff", or at the very lest fix the grammar.
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: Luigi on March 13, 2011, 12:09:49 PM
As one of the people who never posted outside SMW sections (eh, I doubt any of you even recognise me), I have to agree that SMW is what kept the forums alive. I stopped coming here months ago, because SMW got boring and now when I see that it will never be updated, I don't think I'll ever play it again. Right now I am here, because I stumbled upon some info about Mega Man 72 and I kept checking for updates. Apparently the project is alive again, but the last post in MM72 section is from 11th of February. Even if you're still working on it, you should definitely tell people about it. How can they discuss it if they don't know what's going on?

I'm probably not going to post much anyway, but yeah, sections for more games that would interest people is a fine idea. Even better idea is making your own game, but as some people mentioned, you guys lack motivation. That's likely because if you fail, there is no one to slap you for it. And you're not gaining anything from it. I would love to see MM72 finished, but I think making a totally independent game that brings you $$$ AND attracts people to the forums is a better idea. From looking at MM72 I already know you could come up with some great ideas for games. Once such game gets popular, forums will too, as long as the developers are here to communicate with players, constantly fix bugs, update the game. In other words, show that they actually care

Ya know, on a second thought, I may actually try to be more active here. You all seem to love this site, but I never found anything special about it. Reason being, I never even tried to go beyond SMW sections. I'll give it a shot.
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: RAP on March 14, 2011, 01:20:24 AM
As a fan of the fangame Super Mario War (which I still occasionally play), I felt a bit sad to hear Florian died, he's the guy who revived the Super Mario War game and contributed it in a way of people feeling like "Wow! I wanna contribute and have fun being in the community". I didn't contribute very much with the exceptions of throwing out suggestions when I first came here, and later reported several bugs when I played the latest iteration of the game, which is version 1.8 Beta 2. I stopped coming here partially because of the slow updates of the game, and that I'm focusing on more necessary things such as my life, school, art, and that I'm involved with NIWA (Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance).

As Two52 said in another topic, "Florian's vision of 72dpiarmy was a thriving community of creators and collection of free community driven projects." Reading that sentence, I say go for that direction. Keep the pacing up, that's the most critical part of keeping a community going. Maybe I'll come back once more and try something simple, and new - but no promises.

Who knows what the future of the forums will hold?
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: JJames19119 on March 14, 2011, 08:15:14 AM
Florian was the ultimate start of all this nonsense, 72, SMWar and the vision in whole, and it'd really be in my interests to do something community wide driven by the will to pay a tribute to the man. Most fitting would be an extensive upgrade of SMWar in the same vein that he made it a tribute to Mario War and Mr. Poletto but I really can't think of anything that would really be much of a significant upgrade barring going 3D or at least 2.5D...in other words, that idea is probably out of our reach.

I think Florian's dream of what he wanted 72dpiarmy to be is definitely something I would support, even dream of myself, so let's start with that. Of course, we got plenty of talented creators but as for the second half...
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: JM Dragon on March 14, 2011, 09:23:23 PM
I think that it would be good to have a detailed plan for any big project we do. This way, we can keep track of progress easily, so that we don't fall behind and stall stall progress.

Of course, that is just one solution. Are there any other ideas out there that can help us be more productive?
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: MC Jimmy on March 14, 2011, 11:20:14 PM
Quote from: "Big JM"
Are there any other ideas out there that can help us be more productive?
Not being lazy.
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: JJames19119 on March 14, 2011, 11:30:11 PM
That's an inherent problem all of us have, me included. It's hard to fix though.

Must not be lazy. Must not be lazy. Must not be lazy...
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: smwforever45 on March 17, 2011, 12:24:47 PM
Quote from: "MC Jimmy"
Quote from: "Big JM"
Are there any other ideas out there that can help us be more productive?
Not being lazy.
And concentrate on the projects we have and not get sidetracked with something else.

To the first post:

Quote from: "JJames19119"
I decided to make the announcement of Two52's stance on SMWar public because quite honestly leaving people in the dark like that isn't my style.
I agree with this. There just wasn't any new information on the progress of SMWar, and because it was a long time since the last release already, I got bored and quit playing SMWar. I always knew Florian's dead would have consequences on the game - but I didn't think it would turn out like that.

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Due to SMWar's current status I've reorganized the boards a little. You'll notice B^3 is now much closer to the top of the page. This is because it's now the most relevant thing to this board.

Given the kind of discussion that goes on in there, that says a lot.
Yeah... the Blah Blah Blah section is like the only active section right now.

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From what I know, the most active members here spend their time on skype more then anything else...
Well, I'm not one of those people... but I'm also not that active.

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...and anyone not included in that group is left here in empty forums. Why? Because...what would you even do here?
Exactly why I left this forum for half a year. There was nothing interesting going on here (well, except the discussions in the B^3 forums), and I had no reason to stay here any longer anymore. The thing which animated me to come here again was the fact that I didn't look here for ages, and wanted to check if a new beta of SMWar was out already. But instead I saw the notice that the development obviously has been cancelled.

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Where does this forum go now?
I think it'll go dead... like many other forums which lost interest. For example Central Reality/96dpi - that forum Roxas founded back in July 2009. It went dead in January 2010. The forum which was made as an alternative to that forum was going well at first, but then ended up in huge postcount wars which caused that forum to die in May 2010 as well. I failed at reviving it - although I had a little success as it was kind of alive again for about two months, from January to March 2nd, 2011.
I know many other examples for that, both English and German forums - and they all have one thing in common: People leave because they're busy, or don't have any reason for visiting the forums anymore.

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Do we keep it as it is?
Big no!

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Do we try to revive the projects inherent in it and reboot?
The only question at it is: Should we kill this old forum forever and replace this forum with a link to a new one? Or should the new boards just be an alternative to this one? Or make this the alternative forum and the new forum the main one? Or not make a new forum and instead do everything to revive this again? For example advertising at popular sites. Just - where to advertise so that as many people as possible click on the banner, link, whatever?

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I don't want Flo's dream to fizzle out like this but I'm only one person.
I'm pretty sure you're not the only one with this... because I don't want his dream to end like that too.

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Maybe I'm just sitting here rambling to myself in this thread, but even if one single person looks at this thread and gives it any sort of serious thought, then I have achieved my goal with this thread. Even if nobody replies.
I think you achieved your goal, looking at all the replies and approvals in this topic.

I'll for sure keep an eye on this topic, I think it will be important for the future of 72dpi and how it will look like.
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: JJames19119 on March 28, 2011, 10:30:04 PM
New boards. New direction. New hope.

Let's try to make this the center of a community's creative exploits, a community that will hopefully get bigger and bigger once something happens.
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: MasterLederhosen on March 28, 2011, 11:14:57 PM
72dpiarmy is where I met my best bros. I'll do whatever I can to spark some activity.

As for projects, we should start small. This way we'll learn how to cooperate with eachother better and whatnot.
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: Madosuki on March 29, 2011, 12:23:00 AM
I appear to be a tad bit late, though i doubt it matter's either way.

As  fan of SMWar, ocassanal poster,and lazy spriter/mapper who i doubt any one knows,I think as it has been stated this place could come back if we were to not be lazy.

I realize i have no right to talk but once all of the hard-workers left we sort of died.

I would hate for this place to go, but i also relize paying for a forum full of few people doesn't fit well into one's budget.

All-in-all I feel it's safe to say SMWar is dead, but i beleave we could pump out something amazing if we (well not me i guess i dont think i could help much) worked hard on MM72.

Anywho there's my two cents for anyone who reads this rather than skip over it.
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: MSX on April 05, 2011, 11:03:15 AM
MM72 is not dead. Infact, everything is going very smooth and nice at the moment.
The reason why I stopped posting on this site is that it felt useless. Nobody was replying to our work anymore, maybe once a month.
People just don't seem to understand what a "community" is. Eventhough if you are a part of MM72 or not, you can still leave comments about how it's going, feedback on what we show you, mockup screens, enemies and more.

We here at the MM72-Team are not exactly "hyped" about posting updates on 72dpi anymore.
We will do that however, if people start showing some interest.
MM72 is probably one of our few hopes to revive this forum.

Join us, contribute, do something!
Don't you know how to sprite? Learn! If the members who are left all together atleast contribute abit to this project, it will get boosted.
Now, am I right or wrong?

viewforum.php?f=57 (http://72dpiarmy.supersanctuary.net/viewforum.php?f=57)

^^
Click here to contribute!
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: Crust20 on April 11, 2011, 03:04:29 AM
I dont know if this will help but its entirly up to you but why not mention this forum or SMW on sites like xfire or steam they have millions of users who im postive will check out SMW and the forums  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: eeliottheking on July 10, 2011, 01:47:16 AM
Hello all. :p

I miss this place. It used to be a nice escape for me during a rather hard time of my life to be honest and now that I've more or less grown up I've lost track/haven't had time to come back. It was lost to me and simply a memory. Looking back I had some really awesome times with some of the people I met here and it's really sad to see something I used to check several times a day go to such a dark place. It makes me sad. Id be more than willing to do anything I can to help keep this place from falling apart. I miss the community here.

I joined back In 2006 and for the 3 years it would become a large component of my life. I'd spend hours daily on skype chat with people I'd never met in person discussing ideas, pulling pranks, and playing a crazy amount of video games. All of which started with an awkward conversation on Xfire between me and Night_213. I miss all of the fun we used to have guys. it's a shame it all had to disappear on us so fast.

I will remember this community for the rest of my life. The good, the bad, the secrets (you sneaky bastard jimmy), and everything else. Thanks for touching the weird kid who had very little friends' life, and I wish you all the same luck and happiness that I wish florian could have had.

Sincerely,
Eliot Sommers
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: MSX on August 28, 2011, 09:19:26 AM
What WE could do is advertise it somehow.
A great start for this community would be the Megaman72 project going on which could potentially save the forums.
I don't know if you guys aren't up to anything, you could just show support by posting in the MM72 section.

I mean, it would be great.
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: Razorife on August 29, 2011, 06:32:44 PM
I still play SMW every once and a while, it's still good fun and I also have it on my Wii, the little kids also think it is a very fun game. Only wish it had gamecube controller support. Sad to see this forum die.

Some suggestions to rejuvenate the forum:
There are many improvements that could be made to spark some new life into it, scrolling levels, custom tiles that you can make without making a whole new tileset and changing the tileset to use it, simply add new tiles to the list of usable ones, object/powerup editor, custom tile effects, ect. Of course, these are small improvements, an entire new rewritten version could also help.
Or you could make Mario mods for other games, like Unreal, Total War, ect.

SMW MMO?

Of course you could also make an entirely original game non-Mario related be it an action, FPS, or RTS game. Just be creative.
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: Jared on January 22, 2012, 02:56:01 AM
Man... I've been away for so long.

The forum has gone to seed and I feel like I don't know most of anyone here anymore.

I feel like I have to blame myself for this - I took on too much, got burned out, and then when Flo died I just didn't want to come back.

On the other hand, I know Two52 wants to get back into it, or at least he did a few months ago.  He bought http://www.supermariowar.com (http://www.supermariowar.com), although at the moment it just links to a site that doesn't exist.  I haven't heard from him since, although he was nice enough to send me a copy of a card game he and some friends self-published, in case you were wondering what else he was doing.

I've still got too much on my plate.  I've been unemployed and looking for work, my grandfather is dying of ALS, I have a game that I got for free in exchange for rewriting the English translation that I haven't actually worked with in months, I got a Kickstarter project accepted back in June but I haven't actually set it up yet, I've got about eighty bazillion unfinished games to play, I've got a puzzle subscription at http://www.nikoli.com (http://www.nikoli.com) which also has a big backlog... and since I got involved in the SMW project I've gone through two other computers so I don't even have everything in one place anymore.  And oh yeah, I'm super stressed out because I haven't been able to find my DSi for months and the Four Swords download will be going away soon.

I miss the old days.  :(
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: MrMister on January 22, 2012, 03:43:30 AM
I will always remember 72dpiarmy as my first real forum/foray into the world of the internet, but as time went on, bigger and better things emerged. Hell I'm surprised I still receive emails about topic posts.

At the moment I'm just chilling at home, I started visiting 72dpi when I was around 16 and now I'm 20, have an okay job, and I'm preparing to move out of my parents house this year, currently passing the time playing DotA games and living. I still want to be nerd famous someday.
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: Kirchu23 on April 04, 2012, 09:28:15 PM
Wow... I lose my internet for a year and this happens? I can't believe what's happening...
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: JM Dragon on April 04, 2012, 11:09:50 PM
Quote from: "Kirchu23"
Wow... I lose my internet for a year and this happens? I can't believe what's happening...
Well, here's the thing: We ain't (http://http://72dpiarmy.supersanctuary.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10734) dead (http://http://72dpiarmy.supersanctuary.net/viewforum.php?f=57) yet. (http://http://72dpiarmy.supersanctuary.net/viewforum.php?f=20) The community may be small, be we've got several projects worth watching out for. For example, the SMWar remake/ reboot is still shaping up nicely, and Mega Man 72 is still being worked on (I don't know its progress, though). There's also a little bit of discussion going on. We may be a small community right now, but there are some big things coming soon.

Also, this announcement's been here a while, I wonder if it should stay up or not...
Title: Re: So 72dpi.
Post by: GamerZ1 on September 05, 2013, 08:52:26 AM
well, at 2009, i know this game.... wait, when did smw released? :v
this game was bestest merio fanmade game that i ever see...
i had good times with my friends played this awesome games.....
and i don't know, until now about the forum......
i miss your smw, 72dpiarmy.... =(
eventhough i don't know you.... D'=
i can only see --> home site (for smw) and 404 error =(
1.8 still not enough for me.. maybe i can re-make this game with the title --> Super Mario War : Infinite ='D
BTW, sorry if my reply was offense for all of you =(
P.S.
Spoiler
I HOPE SO... :v