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Title: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Zadrave on June 18, 2009, 09:00:10 PM
Oh, how fun. We started doing this in Science about a few days back. Let's talk about the theories and things about dimensions. Here, let me start.

0 Dimensions - One Point. If you were a creature living here, you will never see anything, you ahve to height, eidth, and deph.

1 Dimension - An infinite line. If you live here with a few of your friends, it would be impossible to move around because you are on the same line with them. You'd be stuck looking at someone's butt untill you die. Fun.

2 Dimensions - You all know what this is. It is made up of line segments from the 1st dimension. Think of a peice of paper and draw a square on it. It can never face up, or in this case, height,

3 Dimensions - Adds height to the 2nd dimension. Everyone know swhat this is, so I don't really need to explain this.

4 Dimensions - Time. This one's a bit tricky, but try to follow me. Time is it's own dimension. Imagine a close galaxy, the Adromeda Galaxy. We would focus on the distances, and of course, time. Say if we take a ship that goes the speed of light. Adromeda is 2 million light years away from us. Say that you can live forever, too. Light years is the time that light can travel, so we are going the speed of light, it will take 2 million years to get there, and another 2 million yeras back. We travel 4 million years in total, and there's something different. Earth is 8 million years older than it was before, and you are 4 million years older. Time varies. 4 dimensions is the seeing of time, we can't see time.

Here's a 4 dimensional Hypercube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_jKXFSg ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_jKXFSgZAQ&feature=related)

A video of 1 dimension to 10 (Part 1): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA)
(Part 2): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBaYMES ... re=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBaYMESb8o&feature=channel)
Title: Re: Dimensions
Post by: MrMister on June 18, 2009, 10:00:24 PM
I learned about this last year by watching PBS' NOVA series on the String Theory.
Title: Re: Dimensions
Post by: SsF on June 18, 2009, 10:05:19 PM
gah making my head hurt...
and during summer break no less.

DARN YOU SCIENCE. DARN YOU!




well anyway i am going to make this thread about science, and i will counter with my own hurtful science, this time from the physics department.

Now we know that all things exist, right? Well get this. When you "touch" something, you never really touch them.  All that happens is electrons from the end of your finger react with the electrons of the thing you are "touching".  Those electrons don't even touch, because they are like charges that repel. That means when you touch something, no matter how hard you do it, you are still a minute distance away from it, even though you think you feel it.  Now apply that to something like the digestive system. So you chew up food by NOT TOUCHING IT, swallow it and it goes down a tube without touching it, then acids in the stomach don't touch it, but somehow decompose it. Then other, not fit to mention here, things happen.

tl,dr version:

you can't touch things, no matter what you think.


have fun :D
Title: Re: Dimensions
Post by: Felix-The-Ghost on June 19, 2009, 12:05:48 AM
But that electron is mine and it touches things for me :V
Title: Re: Dimensions
Post by: Rockerfrick on June 19, 2009, 03:49:55 AM
Why don't this show up? ->  :nosebleed:

We DO live in 4-dimensional space. We just don't grow old in space. I don't know why.

(offtopic please...)

 :arrow: We people are just a tiny speck from a speck of what we call "Earth". Earth is just one of the members of a speck we call "Sol" or "Sun". There are billions of stars from a speck we call "Milky Way". The Milky Way is just one of the countless galaxies in the whole universe. And our boundless universe is nothing but a SPECK.

How about the universe? Some say we live in a universe from a multiverse. Good thing I leared that on History Channel.

Well they simplified the concept so we don't bleed our noses. Here it is:

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:idea: Level 1 universe - this is where we city, but there are also copies of this - EXACT COPIES of us doing the same things we do today. Imagine this as a building in a city.

 :idea: Level 2 universe - Imagine this as a district. This was said to look like bubbles. Our L1 universe existed from collision of two L2 universes. Also exact copies of our L1 universe.

 :idea: Level 3 universe - Imagine this as a state. The difference between L3 universes is just a SINGLE ATOM. One atom can change everything. Suppose if the number of antimatter and matter particles during conception of the universe is the same, planets wouldn't exist and the space is nothing but black.

 :idea: Level 4 universe - Imagine this as a country. This violates the laws of physics and such. This is very topsy-turvy as we can't imagine the universe very much - gravity is nothing, light is radioactive, etc.
Title: Re: Dimensions
Post by: MC Jimmy on June 20, 2009, 11:48:15 AM
This is a useful link...

http://www.dimensions-math.org/ (http://www.dimensions-math.org/)
Title: Re: Dimensions
Post by: Yoshi Skier on June 20, 2009, 09:34:29 PM
This reminds me of Einstein's theory of relativity. It's kinda messed up, how distance and time get warped with increasing speed. Look it up if you want something to really stretch your imagination.
Title: Re: Dimensions
Post by: SsF on June 21, 2009, 09:30:40 PM
Quote from: "Felix-The-Ghost"
But that electron is mine and it touches things for me :V
no because then the electron would be touching other electrons, and they dont do that, simply because electrons have a negative charge. It is like trying to get two of the same end of two magnets to touch, only a lot smaller and a lot more powerful a repulsion.

so yes the electron may be yours, but it won't be touching anything for you.
Title: Re: Dimensions
Post by: JM Dragon on June 21, 2009, 10:33:06 PM
Quote from: "ssf"
Quote from: "Felix-The-Ghost"
But that electron is mine and it touches things for me :V
no because then the electron would be touching other electrons, and they dont do that, simply because electrons have a negative charge. It is like trying to get two of the same end of two magnets to touch, only a lot smaller and a lot more powerful a repulsion.

so yes the electron may be yours, but it won't be touching anything for you.
Let me mess with your mind a little more with your logic, then, sff.

If atoms do indeed not touch, then nothing in your body is really connected. At the atomic level, the esophagus does not actually touch the stomach. Nor, with this logic, does any part of the body touch any other part of the body, making my band director's orders pretty much null. Anyone who catches that last part has to be in band.
Title: Re: Dimensions
Post by: Felix-The-Ghost on June 22, 2009, 12:53:19 AM
Quote from: "ssf"
Quote from: "Felix-The-Ghost"
But that electron is mine and it touches things for me :V
no because then the electron would be touching other electrons, and they dont do that, simply because electrons have a negative charge. It is like trying to get two of the same end of two magnets to touch, only a lot smaller and a lot more powerful a repulsion.

so yes the electron may be yours, but it won't be touching anything for you.

The electrons in my hand are about to not touch the electrons in your face
just kidding
Title: Re: Dimensions
Post by: Rockerfrick on June 22, 2009, 04:54:30 AM
Haha you can't see me I'm a neutrino!
Title: Re: Dimensions
Post by: SsF on June 22, 2009, 02:28:12 PM
Quote from: "Big JM"
Quote from: "ssf"
Quote from: "Felix-The-Ghost"
But that electron is mine and it touches things for me :V
no because then the electron would be touching other electrons, and they dont do that, simply because electrons have a negative charge. It is like trying to get two of the same end of two magnets to touch, only a lot smaller and a lot more powerful a repulsion.

so yes the electron may be yours, but it won't be touching anything for you.
Let me mess with your mind a little more with your logic, then, sff.

If atoms do indeed not touch, then nothing in your body is really connected. At the atomic level, the esophagus does not actually touch the stomach. Nor, with this logic, does any part of the body touch any other part of the body, making my band director's orders pretty much null. Anyone who catches that last part has to be in band.
well don't get the last part, but yes you are right, and so we really are a condensed group of electrons and protons and neutrons floating very close to each other, but not touching.
Title: Re: Dimensions
Post by: MasterLederhosen on June 22, 2009, 03:03:36 PM
It might be a good idea making this topic the science thread since people already brought in some stuff of their own into this topic.

Anyways, the whole dimension thing is pretty confusing. I mananged to understand how the 4-th dimension is, even though I still can't understand how could it be possible. Later dimensions are just plain out of this world, but that's because we live in the 3rd dimension and we're bound to it so hard we couldn't even imagine the existance of the other dimensions.

Also, a 4D dimensional being could heal mechanical injuries, like if we had something stuck in our stomachs or we would be shot, it could remove the material using the fourth dimension without any complicated operations. As much as I saw the 4D shapes, I still don't see how a 4D dimensional being would look like to us, in the 3D dimension.

And since people have been talking about other scientific things here, I thought I'd tell you an unrelated to the thread but related to science thing. Apparently, they figured out how to use laser to propel things.
[youtube:3focgmgt]LAdj6vpYppA[/youtube:3focgmgt]
They only got a small model done. But it looks like if they continue on with this kind of propulsion system, we'll be our own alien race, flying in UFO's. Honestly, that was one  kind of a plot twist for me.

Man we're getting fast forward with technologies lately.
Title: Re: Dimensions
Post by: soulbreather on June 22, 2009, 06:04:57 PM
Mass and atoms are mostly nothing-ness, you can punch a table or chair and it's mostly just "thin air" (not actual air but you take my meaning).
Title: Re: Dimensions
Post by: Kabukiguy on June 23, 2009, 06:44:57 PM
you guys are idiots, the only dimensions that are proven to exist, are the 6th and the Hyork dimensions. You might as well kill yourselves for this moronic thread.
Title: Re: Dimensions
Post by: MasterLederhosen on June 23, 2009, 06:46:18 PM
Quote from: "GDKN"
you guys are idiots, the only dimensions that are proven to exist, are the 6th and the Hyork dimensions. You might as well kill yourselves for this moronic thread.
Oh you.
Title: Re: Dimensions
Post by: Kabukiguy on June 23, 2009, 06:48:39 PM
Quote from: "EchoTheHedgehog"
Quote from: "GDKN"
you guys are idiots, the only dimensions that are proven to exist, are the 6th and the Hyork dimensions. You might as well kill yourselves for this moronic thread.
Oh you.
oh me.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Zadrave on June 23, 2009, 10:24:20 PM
Topic name changed.

(http://http://www.ecorazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/bill.jpg)

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I love Science, it was always my favorite subject.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Kabukiguy on June 23, 2009, 10:51:47 PM
I dunno about you guys, but Lunch was mine.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Madosuki on June 23, 2009, 11:16:58 PM
Quote from: "Zadrave"
Topic name changed.

(http://http://www.ecorazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/bill.jpg)

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I love Science, it was always my favorite subject.
same here science rcks!!!XD
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Rockerfrick on June 24, 2009, 12:13:08 AM
The universe was once 23 dimensions (I can't imagine those - the width of height, the height of length?  :P  ) but those evaporated just a millionth of a millionth of a second or so after the BANG.

What was the previous posts? PSEUDOSCIENCE?  :twisted:
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: eeliottheking on June 24, 2009, 03:20:30 AM
Quote from: "GDKN"
I dunno about you guys, but Lunch was mine.
sleep period was mine
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Zadrave on June 24, 2009, 07:22:41 AM
Quote from: "Rockerfrick"
The universe was once 23 dimensions (I can't imagine those - the width of height, the height of length?  :P  ) but those evaporated just a millionth of a millionth of a second or so after the BANG.

What was the previous posts? PSEUDOSCIENCE?  :twisted:

Aren't there only 10 dimesnions?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Roxas on June 24, 2009, 03:43:38 PM
I actualy heard that there was 11 on a PBS show,

Speaking of which, a very interesting topic that fits in with this discussion would be Black holes, like wtf do they do? apparently they suck in Everything, including Light(like your mom, jk ). But is that all destroyed? or is it transfered somewhere else?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Kabukiguy on June 24, 2009, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: "Roxas"
I actualy heard that there was 11 on a PBS show,

Speaking of which, a very interesting topic that fits in with this discussion would be Black holes, like wtf do they do? apparently they suck in Everything, including Light(like your mom, jk ). But is that all destroyed? or is it transfered somewhere else?
White holes are the other ends of black holes. Transfer rates vary from seconds to years.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Roxas on June 24, 2009, 05:18:41 PM
Well we learn something everyday :) , I used to think That black holes destroyed everything it absorbed, but then again that conflicts with the law of conservation of mass, meaning matter can't be created or destroyed. the white "hole" theory makes sense.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Kabukiguy on June 24, 2009, 06:01:12 PM
Quote from: "Roxas"
Well we learn something everyday :) , I used to think That black holes destroyed everything it absorbed, but then again that conflicts with the law of conservation of mass, meaning matter can't be created or destroyed. the white "hole" theory makes sense.

5th grade stuff.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Zadrave on June 24, 2009, 06:20:03 PM
Well, some things get crushed due to the pressure, but they still end up at a white hole.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Kabukiguy on June 24, 2009, 06:40:42 PM
Quote from: "Zadrave"
Well, some things get crushed due to the pressure, but they still end up at a white hole.
In actuality, there is no TRUE compression when going through a black hole, just the suction storm that occurs on the mouth does the damage as seen on larger bodies of matter.
Smaller objects go through VISUAL compression, as then visually decompress out. You don't feel any different because your matter has not been touch.

you see, due to the inside of the hole's erratic syrface, you are constantly(your light reflection) being reflected and refracted at a speed that melds very intensly.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Roxas on June 25, 2009, 07:01:10 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole)
oh, yeah defitely, general relativity is such a common subject to be taught during 5th grade. espacialy here in america. though, i did learn about black holes from documentaries my dad showed me, but i never heard anything about white holes. also no where in that article are white "holes" mentioned, the closest thing was a  "wormhole" EDIT: I found this article though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole) It's actualy very interesting.

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In quantum mechanics, the black hole emits Hawking radiation, and so can come to thermal equilibrium with a gas of radiation. Since a thermal equilibrium state is time reversal invariant, Stephen Hawking argued that the time reverse of a black hole in thermal equilibrium is again a black hole in thermal equilibrium.[1] This implies that black holes and white holes are the same object.
i thought that was worth mentioning.

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White holes appear as part of the vacuum solution to the Einstein field equations describing a Schwarzschild wormhole. One end of this type of wormhole is a black hole, drawing in matter, and the other is a white hole, emitting matter. While this gives the impression that black holes in our universe may connect to white holes elsewhere, in reality, this is untrue, for two reasons. First, Schwarzschild wormholes are unstable, disconnecting as soon as they form. Second, Schwarzschild wormholes are only a solution to the Einstein field equations in vacuum (when no matter interacts with the hole). Real black holes are formed by the collapse of stars. When the infalling stellar matter is added to a diagram of a black hole's history, it removes the part of the diagram corresponding to the white hole.

well I read this, and apparently black holes Don't send matter to white holes GDKN.

I read further in the black hole article, the section "singularity" and the singularity crushes matter to an infinite density

but the truth can never actually be told since no one has actually bean sent to a black hole, and doing so would be extremely dangerous.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: SsF on June 25, 2009, 08:59:48 AM
Quote from: "Roxas"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
oh, yeah defitely, general relativity is such a common subject to be taught during 5th grade. espacialy here in america. though, i did learn about black holes from documentaries my dad showed me, but i never heard anything about white holes. also no where in that article are white "holes" mentioned, the closest thing was a  "wormhole" EDIT: I found this article though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole) It's actualy very interesting.

actually no, a wormhole is the same as a black hole. But since you found something that says that black holes and white holes are the same, then i guess a wormhole is both.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Roxas on June 25, 2009, 09:04:22 AM
what I find interesting about wormholes though is that it's based on a 2d (folded over ) plane

(http://http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Worm3.jpg)

so if it's 2-d then how the heck are we 3d? or possibly the wormhole has something to do with the 4th+  dimension
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Kabukiguy on June 25, 2009, 09:21:14 AM
You guys do know I've been spewing bullshitt.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Roxas on June 25, 2009, 09:33:28 AM
I've noticed that on other threads, but I wasn't sure about this one.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Kabukiguy on June 25, 2009, 09:55:23 AM
Quote from: "Roxas"
I've noticed that on other threads, but I wasn't sure about this one.
I take the sciences very seriously, but zad set up the mood.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Roxas on June 25, 2009, 09:57:26 AM
It's good you can take anything seriousely GDKN.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Zadrave on June 25, 2009, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: "GDKN"
Quote from: "Roxas"
I've noticed that on other threads, but I wasn't sure about this one.
I take the sciences very seriously, but zad set up the mood.
No u

Science can be confusing.  :?

EDIT: Anyone see the movie Flat Land? It's about how a 2D Square and Hexagon figures out the secrets of the 3D world. It's a really good animated movie, you guys should see it sometime.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: SsF on June 25, 2009, 10:05:17 AM
oh yes, especially when you combine two different concepts.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Kabukiguy on June 25, 2009, 05:05:22 PM
Quote from: "Zadrave"
Quote from: "GDKN"
Quote from: "Roxas"
I've noticed that on other threads, but I wasn't sure about this one.
I take the sciences very seriously, but zad set up the mood.
No u

Science can be confusing.  :?

EDIT: Anyone see the movie Flat Land? It's about how a 2D Square and Hexagon figures out the secrets of the 3D world. It's a really good animated movie, you guys should see it sometime.
I saw a movie just like that, It was called "Little Billy and the Mervin Street Sluts".
Billy was the square and the 3d world was a vagina.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Roxas on June 25, 2009, 06:02:35 PM
Yeah, thats great gdkn, but that isn't relevant at all

anyway another ting about that picture, If that represents a wormhole, wouldnt that mean our universe is round? like a huge ass planet, and if the universe IS a huge ass planet. then what the F is beyond it(even if it isn't a planet)? another thing that bothers me is that they represent slace with a Green 2D grid, what is that supposed to mean?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Kabukiguy on June 25, 2009, 06:24:44 PM
Quote from: "Roxas"
Yeah, thats great gdkn, but that isn't relevant at all

anyway another ting about that picture, If that represents a wormhole, wouldnt that mean our universe is round? like a huge ass planet, and if the universe IS a huge ass planet. then what the F is beyond it(even if it isn't a planet)? another thing that bothers me is that they represent slace with a Green 2D grid, what is that supposed to mean?

No you can clearly see the universe is a giant 8.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL SCIENCE THREAD (Bill Nye isn't allowed.)
Post by: Rockerfrick on June 26, 2009, 06:22:38 AM
Stephen Hawking is often spoofed  :wink: .

The space outside the universe may be a space real DAMN HOTTER THAN HOT or vice versa, which is the boundary of two L1 universes (my earlier post explains that - Level1 Level2 Level3 blah blah.)

Haha Multiverse is a game.

And about that wormhole/black thing - there are 3 theoretical shapes of the universe and will also determine the wormholes' shape.(this WIKI link (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_of_the_Universe)).

If the universe is a sphere - then the wormholes' path are straight and the universe seems like a giant planet - the wormhole is from one point of the universe to another with its center can be along the "core" of the universe. In traveling there - you are being sucked to the "center" of the universe, then ejected to the other side of the universe.

If flat - what's that....the wormhole will look like a mug's handle and the gravity is massive at the outermost edge of the "mug's handle" - the center of the wormhole. A traveler moves faster inside the wormhole here than above.

If hyperbolic - it's like the flat universe but more massive gravity at the wormhole's center. And traveling there is fastest.

I can't imagine that universe can be curved - so I still believe in multiverses. They look reasonable to me.

Sadly we can't tell because they are only theoretical.  :|